Beyond Christian Hip-Hop: King Cyz on Marriage, Faith, & Integrity | The Rooted in Christ Podcast Ep. 219

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[0:00 -> 0:48] Speaker 1: Being a brother and sister in Christ, understanding the weight of that. That mantle that you carry in those spaces, to know that, okay, it's a responsibility that you have not to take what is given to you to use it as a weapon, but use it as an opportunity. Okay, I know how to pray for this person. I know how to intercede in this moment. I know if I start to see signs of them going back down the same path, now I know how to move because I've been through that, and I can take what I experienced so that you don't have to go through it anymore. Or if you've identified it early, say, listen, I've gone down this path. It could potentially happen this way if you don't make a choice or decision to, you know, hit the gas, hit the. Hit the brake, and let's pivot. Let's go a different direction. Let's go a direction that God's trying to send you. And that's why.

[0:54 -> 1:06] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Rooted in Christ Podcast. It is Monday, and look, I'm more hyped than usual. We got the one and only king size, my brother, Slim Sizzle in the building. How you doing, bro?

[1:06 -> 1:28] Speaker 1: Man, listen, I'm good. You know, I knew this time was coming. So, I mean. I mean, from the time you sat down with me on the show, I said, I told my wife, I said, I can't wait to rock out with my brother on Rooted in Christ podcast. It's going to be another continuation of a phenomenal exchange fellowship over the space. So, GL definitely glad to be here. Thank you for having me, bro.

[1:28 -> 1:38] Speaker 2: I appreciate you being here. Like, we. We met, you know, in Boston, and, you know, I just. I felt like led just to go and have a conversation with you and just found out, like, yeah, that's my brother from another

[1:38 -> 1:42] Speaker 1: mother. For real? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes, sir.

[1:42 -> 1:56] Speaker 2: So even just open up both in season of transition, God is moving our lives. We're doing similar things. And, you know, obviously, you're in Philadelphia, I'm sitting here in Cleveland. You know where I see the hat, by the way? I see the hat. So I had. I put this on you today just so

[1:58 -> 2:17] Speaker 1: it's working out well in your favor. All right? Now, I can upset and say he did that on purpose because he came to the show, wore it. Now, my team playing like trash. But listen, I'mma still represent. I mean, I bleed green. So we're gonna continue. But I thank you for wearing that Kelly green. That was. That was beautiful. That's. I had Love, you know, my wife

[2:17 -> 2:29] Speaker 2: was like, why you wearing this? I said, girl, this a road game. I need to make sure I come back home. I don't know where this studio at. I don't know where I got a roll to. I said, no, we gonna blend in. And R.A. cunningham is a monster. So, you know. Yes, sir.

[2:29 -> 2:30] Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[2:33 -> 2:54] Speaker 2: Bro, I wanna, I want everybody just to get a chance to, to get to know you. Because even if in the conversation we've had, bro, the Holy Spirit has been all over him, you know, like you, you've been a, a just a, an, an encouragement to me in a short period of time we've known each other, but I want to, I want to start from the beginning. So let's take us back. Like, let's talk about what it was like for you before you gave your life to Christ and how you end up coming to the Lord.

[2:55 -> 5:10] Speaker 1: Well, well, I wish it was a story where it says, yeah, I grew up in this certain. Nah, I don't have any of those, those hard times. I don't have that kind of story. But what I can say is that even though it wasn't hard in the sense of growing up in a certain type of household, listen, I grew up with both parents, grew up loving home father. That was a phenomenal, I mean, a superhero indeed, which was actually rare in many cases, instances, because I did have friends that didn't have, you know, you know, a two parent household didn't have, you know, the abode of love like I did. But what I can say is that it was a struggle because of the simple fact that, you know, you want to grow and flourish and flow with the people that you're around, but you already stand out. And in standing out, of course, you go through your seasons of rebellion, you, disobedience, doing things your way, being hard headed, just to say, I want to fit in. Not knowing that in the entire time all I had to do was be me. I didn't have to be anybody else. And I feel like I ran into the most trouble in life when I tried to be another character. When I tried to put on a mask in front and not represent who I truly was and was raised to be. But I can tell you, I mean, when I say my father was, I mean blue collar, you know, say like Evans, was it James Evans on, on Good Times, like that, that was, that was like my pop. Like I remember they would compare him to James Evans and also the comedian Robin Harris. It was like those two guys would be like that Was my pop. And. And. And to this day, I'm grateful for the. The hard life that I. I mean, he's a disciplinarian military man, was in the Navy. So the upbringing may have seemed brutal back then, I guess, according to today's standards. But I can tell you, if I didn't have it, I wouldn't be the man I am now. So I'm grateful for my amazing father, phenomenal mother. I mean, they brought about balance in my life. So, you know, my upbringing was, you know, rough because I made it rough. But I can tell you, if I listened, it would have been a lot easier.

[5:12 -> 5:47] Speaker 2: One thing we always say on the show, there's power in every testimony. You know what I mean? But it's crazy hearing just that little bit about your story. And I'm like, now see why we click so well, because that was me. That was me being the. Being the chameleon to want to blend in, looking for acceptance. Totally lost myself in the process. Yeah. And in those moments, you don't realize how far off the reservation you are, because it just. It becomes normal. Yep. You know, it just. It just becomes like, this is just what we're gonna do on this. Tuesday and Wednesday, we might be something different, but Friday night, we definitely gonna be something different. You know what I mean? It's just exactly. You lose your whole identity in that process, just trying to be what everybody else thinks you ought

[5:47 -> 7:39] Speaker 1: to be. Absolutely. And it's funny because, you know, I look at. Even if you go by my name, I make the joke about being king size now. Slim sizzle. You know, the way I dealt with a lot of the pain is, you know, what do you say? You know, Tears of a clown, you know, to the outside, it felt like everything was great. But because of the things that I was dealing with on the inside, the way I would cope and deal with it was food and inactivity and put on a lot of weight. So that's why I gained the name King Size, because I was a large figure compared to what I am now. But that's the way I was. I was like, you know, Santa Claus, you know, the jolly old fat man, you know, I was that guy, you know, throughout life, not realizing that it was killing me. But that's the way I dealt with life and process in that fashion. Even though I laughed, had a good time, they say, listen, size is that dude, he's funny. But that's the way I process the way I fit in with many. Because, of course, a church kid, you know, part Time comedian. I was always that, that. That particular person just like, light up a room. That's just my personality thanks to my mother. She's a social butterfly, so of course I got that from her. But then the boldness I got from my father. So, you know, you put that mixture together, that's very dangerous if you. Especially if you know who you are. I didn't know who I was early on, and it took time to find that identity. But I'm grateful that even as you said, it's a testimony. I. I realize now, you know, through my experiences, how I can minister and meet, reach others when I can see. Okay, I see you're doing exactly what I did at 12. You're seeing exactly what I did at 21. So now I can have a different conversation with you and speak a language that you understand, not embarrassing you, but knowing that, okay, you're talking to somebody that's been through it, and I can help you get through yours as well. Bro,

[7:39 -> 7:51] Speaker 2: that's so crazy. I didn't know that about your, about your story, especially about that much of the weight loss, because we talked like I weighed 315 pounds, bro. I'm just. It's crazy. Yeah. And you, you look like you've even lost some way since we hung out last, bro. So congrats to you,

[7:51 -> 7:53] Speaker 1: bro. Congrats to you, my brother. Congrats

[7:53 -> 8:18] Speaker 2: to you. Congrats to you. I see it. I can see it. Yes, sir. Man, it was crazy. I don't. This is just made my personal experience. Some of the funniest people that I know have been through some of the most trauma or when they were at their funniest, where they were the most depressed. Yeah. And I'm not saying that's law. I'm just saying that has been my personal experience of people I've dealt with. Have you. Have you seen that to be true or, you know, is that just over here in Eric Stevens land?

[8:19 -> 11:15] Speaker 1: No, no, no. I think that's a common thread in many of these. Because if I go back through just growing up and watching even certain comedians, you know, when you think about the Robin Williams, you know, in the world, the comedians that have gone through being the funniest in the room, being the funnest on the planet. But then you start to understand, okay, what's the story behind, you know, what you've experienced? But sometimes they don't get that release. And as a result, in some cases, people lose life. They take their own lives, you know, and they don't find the outlet. They don't find Christ. They don't find a community that helps them to be open, honest and transparent with where they are. Because they have to continue to, you know, hit this particular, you know, I'm this guy I have to continue to fall in line with the world knows me for, instead of actually being who I am. And I think once we start to understand who we are in the process, or even those that have found that identity, being more vulnerable and open to help, to say, hey, listen, bro, sis, I hear you. I see you. Even if you're not saying it, just know I'm here. And I've been through that and not using, because this is, I think, where a lot of people, especially in today's society, you know, we make clickbait. We make things that go viral. We look for moments to, you know, if I'm in the room with this person and I have this conversation and they pour out their heart, there's a possibility that based on the name, I can take that and use that to my benefit. Oh, we have this person that they know is, you know, they are hard rock. But they have a moment where they cry. Oh, I may so and so cry. Let me take this and make it a viral moment. Instead of saying, okay, I'm your brother or I'm your sister. I'm here. What is going on stays between us, you, the two of us, and God. And that, to me is almost like a lost art. It's a lost, you know, process in really getting to know and being a brother or sister, not just in Christ, but just in general. And I think once you get to the point of being a brother and sister in Christ, understanding the weight of that, that mantle that you carry in those spaces, to know that, okay, it's a responsibility that you have not to take what is given to you to use it as a weapon, but use it as an opportunity. Okay, I know how to pray for this person. I know how to intercede in this moment. I know if I start to see signs of them going back down the same path, now I know how to move because I've been through that. And I can take what I experienced that so that you don't have to go through it anymore, or if you've identified it early, say, listen, I've gone down this path. It could potentially happen this way. If you don't make a choice or decision to, you know, hit the gas, hit the. Hit the brake, and let's pivot. Let's go a different direction. Let's go direct direction, that God's trying to send you. And that's why I'm here.

[11:17 -> 12:11] Speaker 2: I think that especially in the space that you and I are in, because we're involved in Christian hip hop, we both have. Have radio shows, podcasts. Yeah. I think that we need to remember we are followers of Christ first. Yes. Because if he shuts all these lights off tomorrow, what are you going to do? You don't have any more viral moments. Right. And people are going to remember the way you made them feel, and they're going to remember exactly how you treated them. And I think sometimes we in this space do a disservice of let's get this click. Let's get this video, let's put this out, let's get this rating versus my brother or sister is really hurting. And that really should be the priority. Absolutely. Am I praying for them before I'm talking about them? Am I really praying? You know what I mean? Like, I just. I think that that is something we could really do a much better job of, especially as hosts in this space and not sharing everything we know on social media. Right, Right. And

[12:11 -> 14:19] Speaker 1: we don't. And here's the thing, and I. I talk to other hosts and I tell people, I say, you know, it's great when, you know, if there is something that does happen where normally it's, okay, I gotta get a jump on this particular story. And this is something that I really pride myself on is. Although it may be something that is so popular in the moment. And they say, okay, I gotta get this particular artist on or this guest, so I could speak about this. I've made it a point to say, okay, how do I speak to the opposite? How do I go an alternative route to get to the heart of the matter? Because I feel like if 10 people line them up for an interview, ask the same questions, they become more robotic. They've practiced, they've rehearsed. And you're not getting the most vulnerable, most transparent them. You're not getting them. You're getting the one that has been seasoned for moments like this where they can say the words to get by interviews over and you've really not dealt with whatever the issue is. Right. So if we get to the heart of the matter, that's when the Holy Spirit can enter in and start to deal with what's going on behind the scenes. And if it just so happens that during that interview, I'm not forcing it, but if the spirit leads and that heart gets to the point where, okay, what was a hard heart now becomes a heart of flesh and you start crying. It's not for a viral moment. It's because it actually happened that you're getting your release and it took this moment in space. I don't take these times lightly or for granted, and I don't ever want to abuse this opportunity to have a conversation with my brother and sister because it could be that conversation where they get their breakthrough. And if I go in thinking, let me capture this viral moment, I miss the moment where the Holy Spirit actually shows up and I put my agenda at the forefront and I've given no space for God to do his thing. So my thing is, I always look at it like, okay, God, how do you want me to operate in flow? Even though there's a popular conversation I can have, what do you want me to do? And if I enter in the proper way, then he gets the glory and the breakthrough that wouldn't have happened otherwise now has occurred.

[14:21 -> 15:28] Speaker 2: If we lose sight of keeping him first, we're going to look just like the world does. Yep. It's not. It's not going to look any different, brother. Moments I've had on this show that I've edited things out and I have not put things out and I've deleted the file because I'm like, if even down, bro, it's even down a little thing. It's not even big. It's like they tripped over their words, they misquoted the scripture, or they said this. Like, if I put this out, this is not going to make them look good in this light. Like, it is just not. I'm not for it, bro. Like, it's probably why we don't have so many quote unquote viral moments on this show, because even before you came on here today, God, give me the words Holy Spirit. What do you want us to talk about today? You lead and guide this. This conversation. This is your show. Absolutely. At the end of the day, we are your vessels. We are blood bought, blood purchased. So how do you want this to go versus what Instagram might want to see? And I think. I think especially in the media space, we have to be really careful what we put out, because in the things that we encourage. You know what I mean? Like, I just. Two artists beefing. I'm not even about to talk about this. That's not coming on this show at all. Right. Like, because ultimately what we really should be doing, instead of encouraging us, just praying for

[15:28 -> 17:39] Speaker 1: them. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny you say that because, you know, I had a moment with Dayton and of Course, the whole back and forth with he and Talib Kweli, you know, I said, okay, if I have a conversation with Dayton, what would my approach be? Because I can certainly get the clickbait, I can certainly get the viral moments, if you will. I can set up a question a certain way, because, you know, Dayton is a passionate brother, and he's going to give you the truth, where he stands in the moment, which I know. But what I said, okay. The most important question I asked him, I said, what's the end game? Like, what is all of this for? And we went down the path of like, okay. And it was very transparent and like, okay, you know what? Maybe I missed it. You know, maybe this wasn't, you know, the route I should have gone. And I apologize for that. Like, for me, it was so authentic in the moment. So, I mean, to me, God was glorified because it's like, okay, we make mistakes. And if our flesh in the moment, if they get us on the right day, the right time, you know, you're not going to think about giving a person a scripture. You're going to think about giving them a foul word or the finger. Let me just be honest. That's just flesh. And if we allow ourselves and we don't stay before the Father and have a repented heart, repentive heart, you know, then of course we're going to say what's going to come to our flesh if we are operating and functioning in flesh. But I thank God for that moment because I could have gone the viral route. Instead, I said, okay, bro, talk to the people. What's the end game? Where are we going with this? And it allowed a real moment to go. And of course, it wasn't as viral because it wasn't a hot take. It wasn't a, oh, well, we got to take this and clip it up, chop it up, and let's work. No, it was. It was okay. I made a mistake. You know, I got to this point now, you know, where I go from here is this. And I was grateful because he got that opportunity not to go back into his flesh, but to say, okay, how am I glorifying God in this? And if I'm wrong or I'm getting in the way of what he wants to do, I repent. Let me fix it up and get back on track. So those moments, it's like, you can choose to go viral or you can choose to do it his way.

[17:41 -> 18:05] Speaker 2: So the show we talking about on Holy Coast Radio, what it is and what it be is like you know what I'm saying? That's, that's the show. So. And you know, so on that radio show, you have an opportunity to reach listeners across the country. Yeah. You know, so how do you see God? Because we talk. We're here now. So how do you see God using your radio platform to impact lives and advance his kingdom? Because, number one,

[18:05 -> 20:19] Speaker 1: I look at it, it's a, it's a powerful tool that you can either use to destroy, of course, or you can use to build. And I've always been one where when I have conversation, anyone that sits down with me and they walk away just like you and I, it's like, oh, that's a brother. Like, that truly is a person that cares for me, wants me to be who God has called and commissioned me to be. Like, you walk away empowered. Like, you don't feel like you've been drained. It feels like you walk away like, yo, do we have to end this conversation? Do we have to? You know, I always look at it as when we sit down, if it's therapy in the moment, so be it. You know, if it's a moment where God uses for you to unpack. Because I have many guests just cry their eyes out. And not that I'm going in to do that, but it may be when you sit in this chair, I'm looking at, okay, if you sit down, whether it be physically or virtually, I want to make sure that when you get up, you are not the same. Whether it be, you know, whatever you were going through, you unpacked, you let that go, or a reminder of who God has called you to be. And I want you to know when you walk away, like, number one, you got family, you got a, you got a brother in me, but you also got somebody that's praying for you and they want the best for you and your future. This is not. Yeah, I got another, another interview because I mean, if I, if I literally, you know, lined up my life to say, okay, I'm going to be a person as a host and just doing interviews, I'm wasting my time and I'm wasting the viewers time, I'm wasting everybody's time. And then again, I'm telling God, no, I'm not going to use that tool you gave me, I'm going to not use it for your glory. I'm going to do it for my own self gain. Then at that point I'm like, I'm saying, it's not what I'm being given. I'm wasting, I don't want to waste it. I don't want to be one of those men with the talents that buries it and waits for him to return. I want to multiply. I want to make sure that when he comes back and checks in, okay, what are you doing a year from now? Okay, you, I glorified you. I did this for you. Not just saying I'm doing it to say I'm doing it, but I'm doing it with my action. Look at the lives changed, look at the soul saved. And if I'm doing that, I want to make sure that I'm aligned to hear. Well done.

[20:21 -> 20:33] Speaker 2: You've, you've legit answered this, but because you've articulated this. So I want to ask this question directly because I really want to hear you say, how has your relationship with Jesus changed the way you see yourself, your purpose, and the man you want

[20:33 -> 23:04] Speaker 1: to become? Wow. It's funny because I ask that kind of question all the time. Kind of coming into this, I thought one thing, and I think going into a certain space, you start to really identify if you have the mind of Christ or it's you doing the thinking and planning. That's real. I think when I shifted my mindset, there are things that really challenged me in a way that, you know, I was asked to do certain things that the initial knee jerk reaction was, man, I don't wanna do all that. That's not what I thought. Listen, I thought I was gonna be just the emcee. I thought I was gonna be the rapper doing the music. But God had other plans. And if I kept that mindset I had, I would've missed moments and it let me know not only in this space, but just in life. I have to be open to if he pivots and shifts anything. Anyway, it's just like when you go, you know, travel somewhere and you use the Waze app and it says, okay, there's an accident ahead. Okay, rerouting, okay, there's an alternative route. I have to be so in tune with what God is doing that even if I'm used to doing certain things Monday through Friday, on Wednesday, he may say, listen, I need you to go this direction. I have to be open for that shift and change because, number one, it's going to force me to get out of the, the normal, everyday, mundane, religious way of doing things. Because I just like, just like showing up for church. Okay, I know we're going to do this at this time. I know we're going to do this at that time. Instead of really being in the space of entering in his presence. If I truly am becoming who he wants me to be, then I'm becoming less of who I've always been. And if that does not change, then I've missed it. So in this space, they say, we'll say, who. Who are you now? Well, I'm not who I used to be. And they say, okay, have you arrived? No, I'm in the pursuit of, you know, hitting that mark. You know, I press towards the mark. If I'm saying to you, I have not arrived, I'm not there yet. But I am becoming. I'm becoming a person that is qualified enough to stay on this path that he, of course, has lit the path that he continues to direct me in going. And as I go, I. I may be even more different than what I am now, but I am embracing who I'm becoming. So at this point, that's where I am in my journey. I am becoming. And as I become, I just let him do

[23:04 -> 24:28] Speaker 2: what he does. Bro, I'm shaking my head because, like, I. I have shared. I've had a very similar conversation with people lately where I said, you know what? I'm in this season right now. God, I'm. I'm willing to let go for where you're taking us. Like the way that I've been doing things, where I've been serving in ministry, the way we've been doing everything. Lord, everything's on the table, but my hands are off. You tell me what to let go. You tell me what to keep. I am going to be. To be resting and slowing down more. I'm. I'm literally doing addition by subtraction. Yeah, that is what's happening. There's some stuff that I've literally told my wife I'm saying no to right now. And then I'm going to. I'm going to keep these, keep my word on some other things. Once those are built up, I'll be stepping back from those things as, as well, because of where he's calling us and what he's calling us to do. And in this season of transition. It's crazy. I just said I'm embracing it and I'm okay with it. I'm okay with, with not having a position or a title or whatever the case would be to fulfill whatever it is he's calling me to do. Yeah. Because in the day, I don't need a position or a title at all to be called to, to go out and, and fulfill the Great Commission. I don't. I don't need that Jesus said, go. So that's really all I. That's. But there are some things where I just told her, I said, it's. It's time to take a step back. But that step back is really a step forward. Absolutely. It's

[24:28 -> 26:18] Speaker 1: funny that you say that, because something else that I've learned in the process is it's okay to say no. That I've been one that, you know, again, I look at the way I was raised. My father was always a man of his word. If he said he was going to do something, now, we didn't like the time it took for some of those things to come to pass. But, you know, ultimately, if he said it, it's going to get done. And with me, I've taken that same thing on. And sometimes when people will pull on my heartstrings for certain things, I would say, yes. And as I look back, I look at, okay, I shouldn't have committed to that, but I'm going to be a man of my word because I shook my hand, shook their hand, and that's the agreement that I made. So I have to make sure that I follow through with that. I thank God for my wife, because, you know, she'll give me that look, and she say, see, Stop saying yes to everything. And in the way that she'll talk to me, it's like, okay, I said. I said, why are you talking to me like that? She said, because I can. And. And I love the fact that she's one of those. That she don't have to get in my face. None of that. Just look. Give me the look. You don't have to say yes to everything. She said. She always used to tell me no is an anointed word as well. And I said, okay. And as I started to look at certain things to say, you know what? I don't have to do that. No, I won't be making this event, and I don't have to give a whole long list of excuses or reasons why no is good enough and leave it at that. If they start depressed, then it starts to let me know, okay, are there ulterior motives at work here? Or is it truly, you know, you believe me at what I'm saying? And it's not on us to really, you know, weigh that. But, you know, at the end of the day, if it's not meant for you to go, don't go. Don't commit to things. If the spirit is saying that's not one of the ones, then be okay with that. Don't Force it. Because nine times out of ten, if you ignore the leading of the Holy Spirit and you say yes, it's going to be a problem. It's going to be

[26:18 -> 26:50] Speaker 2: a problem. My no validates my yes. My yes validates my no. And I'm not giving an apology for either one. Exactly. And that's it. You know, Like, I've even just recently, even down to our Sabbath time, like, even on our day, I'm like, I'm not doing. I'm not planning to go do anything. That way, if me and my wife want to do something, we have the flexibility to do it. But as you saw when I came out to Philadelphia, bro, I'm always on the go. Yes, I was in. I had, we did the interview. I had. I sampled some cheese steaks and I was gonna say, he

[26:50 -> 26:52] Speaker 1: made it happen. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[26:52 -> 27:45] Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I was gonna go up to Rocky Steps. I'm like, that's an hour and a half from where I'm at, traffic wise. I'm about to roll out. You know what I mean? It's. But that's what it was because I had them like, I'm. I want to be good for my other commitments, and that's what it is. I want to do everything with excellence. And I can't do everything with excellence by doing everything. That ain't gonna work. That ain't gonna work. So that's where I'm at. And honestly, it's. It's paid off. It's already starting to pay off. I have a piece that I can't explain. And anybody listening to just being in my prayer closet, too, that is, that has helped tremendously. Just hearing the words of the Holy Spirit every day. Psalms 37, 45, 91 have been ringing in my ears for the past, like, week or so. So. Yeah, bro, so it's. I don't gotta have my hands in everything. I want to be right where he wants me to be because that's where he is. That's where his presence is. That's where his grace is. You know, I don't want to be, you know, wandering for an extended period of time for something that should have took a short period of

[27:45 -> 27:48] Speaker 1: time. Exactly, exactly. I love it. Love

[27:48 -> 28:05] Speaker 2: it. But we, we both obviously have platforms. We talk about Jesus. So I. I don't ask people this question a lot, but this is. You're actually only the second person I've asked this question too. Okay. What is the difference between using your platform to talk about Jesus and actually using your Platform to represent Jesus.

[28:08 -> 31:20] Speaker 1: I think it actually just. It comes out in your exchange in the moment, you know, with whether it be a guest or those that are listening. I think it comes out in how you, you know, present the word in real life. Because I think, you know, as you are as transparent as possible. I mean, you don't have to tell everything because some things are meant to stay in house. You know, that's certain conversations I have with just my wife and I, but things that I'm permitted to discuss, you know, having those moments where I'm not preachy, preachy in a sense of I gotta say Jesus, Jesus every five seconds. It's how I love my wife, it's how I love my child, how I'm raising and doing what I need to do for my family, how I'm loving my brother, how I love my sister, how I serve in my church, how I serve in my community. You know, it comes out in your conversations, the exchange. I think sometimes it's even the one on ones where it's no studio audience, it's no guest. It's the moments where I'm talking to what seems like space, but someone's listening. And it's that person that you least expect that needs to hear what you're saying and understanding that, hey, that person went through what I'm going through now and the fact that they told that story. Okay, if it worked for them, maybe it can work for me. Shall I consider this person? They talk about Jesus. As far as someone that's not saved. So who is this Jesus they're talking about? Or if one that has fallen away, you know, has. Has backslidden, gone, you know, he doesn't love me like they say they do. If I. If I give you an example of feeling the same way you felt, having the same discussion in my head, having the God, I'm not talking to you. I don't. I don't want. I don't want to go down this path. I don't want to hear another prophecy. I don't want to hear another preached word, how I had an encounter on my own in that low part of my life, that low space where I felt like nobody cared he was there. And if I can give you that piece of me for you to look at and examine and run it back and run it back over and over to say, okay, you know what? Maybe there's something to this. Maybe I do need to go back. Maybe I need to try again. Maybe I need to listen to what my grandma said when I was A young kid. And I said, nah, it don't take all that. Maybe it does. Maybe now I should reconsider, you know, the direction I've been going. And maybe there's something to this. So I think it's not just saying, Jesus, Jesus, but how do we live it and how do we express that in our actions, in our conversations, in our lifestyle, how, again, how we love our. Our mates, how we love our children, our community, what we do within the church. I think it all comes out and it just. It's not. Just let me use this platform to. To, you know, Bible thump, to stand on some kind of, you know, soapbox and point the finger. It's. No, let me show you, you know, what he's done for me. If there's anything that's within me that can help you take it. When

[31:20 -> 33:41] Speaker 2: people say, I don't know what God is calling me to do, I have no idea what the call is. Scripture's already told you, the call is holiness. Holiness and live righteous. The call is all. It's already there. That is actually the first call. Our call is to holiness. And I'm only going to pick one piece that you. That you said. So holiness in this situation for me means if I'm not treating my wife right, I have no business sitting here talking to you right now. That's the take. So come on, you know. And our daughter actually said something to me. This was probably a few months ago. And it's just. It's really something she said has stuck with me all year. Which for me, when I say a few months ago, that probably means it was January. This might become what age dog? I don't know. But she. I got you. Yeah, she said. She said you're. Because I have her with me a lot. She said, you are the same person everywhere that you go. The only difference is at home, you're a lot quieter. I said, well, one, you and your mom talk a lot. So I made the joke because I wanted. I wanted to lighten the air up a little bit. But I said, it's yes, yes, hey, go ahead. I said. But I told her, I said, at home, like, I think people really do believe I'm super extroverted because they see the mics, the camera, they see beyond the walls, they see the other shows. I said, I recharge by being still, by being quiet, by. By reading, by. By studying. Like, sometimes some of my best moments are literally just sitting there with my wife and neither one of us are talking. Not because I don't want to hear their voice. That is just for me. That is peace. Yeah. You know, it's, it's so. But if I, if I really break it down, when people say, I don't know what God is calling me to do, the call is holiness. That is the first priority. Because my call is holiness. That means I'm keeping his commandments. Yes, yes. And if I'm keeping his commandments, I'm living righteous and he's going to walk me into the other things that he has called me to do. We always think it's preacher, teacher, evangelist, rapper, podcast host. No number one call is to be holy. So for us married men, fine. Because the two people on this call, that means if that calls the holiness. How is my house really looking in this season? And where do I need to pivot? And does pivoting mean, oh, my wife actually needs more from me. They're my business. I need to lay down in this season. Come on.

[33:42 -> 35:59] Speaker 1: See, that's as real as it gets. Because when you have a moment where you're asking yourself, and we think about this, and I thank God for my bishop, Richard A. Kent ii. He always talks about, you know, again, your first ministry, you know, being your, your, your, your, your home, your wife, your, your spouse, your help mate, that's where it starts. And he says, you know, if there's something you need to take care of at home, you have to take care of that first. That, you know, it should never be a situation where it's so much that you're doing at the church that your wife is neglected. It should be. It shouldn't be a situation where your home is in disarray, but the church is looking beautiful because that means something is off. It should be a reflection of what is done at home. If you are taking care of your wife, if your wife is beautified, she looks gorgeous. It's like, oh, my gosh, she's sharp. Then at that point, you know how to take care of the church, because your mindset is, how do I make sure that the bride is ready? How do I make sure that the bride is ready for his return? And that's something that I continue to make sure that I take care of home first. If there's something in disarray, I can't. We have an argument in the car and then I'm trying to patch it up before we walk into the building of church because we don't know what's going on inside you off. Something's wrong that need to be taken care of before you walked in to basically spew that over the pulpit into the congregation. Like you are pouring what you've been dealing with that you have not dealt with together as a family unit, as a husband and wife, as one unit. To be honest, then if you have not worked on that, then it's very difficult to. It's almost like you're being basically hypocritical. I think it's counterproductive because in that space, you literally are like, you're ignoring what you should be taking care of and telling everyone else to take care of. But if you're not doing it, then listen, you're being hypocrite. You're not in the space of living, breathing, being the example and living out what you're talking about. You're not practicing what you're preaching. So I think, you know, within this process, if we take care of home, it allows us to be better prepared and suited to do what needs to be done within the church.

[36:01 -> 37:03] Speaker 2: Even on Sunday, just this past Sunday, I noticed that my wife was struggling with something, and I literally stopped serving on Sunday. What I was doing to go talk to her. This is not me putting on. This is not me telling you to look at me. This. Or I put on some red cape and swooped in to save the day. I'm telling you, there was a season in my life where I know I probably would not have done that and I would have kept taking care of the church. But it's crazy, because what she was struggling with was stuff that God was speaking about me, speaking to me all week long. So I had something. I was like, this is actually crazy timing, and these are the titans. So I stopped what I was doing to go. To go talk to her, to see where she was at. And guess what? Everything I had to do that Sunday was there when I was done. Absolutely. You know, and I'm only. And again, I'm saying that as a moment of transparency. I believe there was a season of my life where I probably would not have stopped and done it. I would have said, we'll talk about this when we get home. No, I'm gonna. Let's. How are you doing right now? Because you never know. You just don't

[37:03 -> 38:48] Speaker 1: know. You don't. You don't. And it may be. And here's what I used to get in trouble, and I'm. When she sees this, she's gonna laugh. Because there would always be moments in which, you know, I wanted to fix. You know, I wanted to. Hey, tell me what's wrong. Let's get you know, address it. And sometimes when you go back to talking about peace and being quiet, there were moments where my wife literally had to tell me, listen, just. Just shut up. I don't need you to say anything. Just. Just. Just stand here and just. Just hold me or hug me and don't say anything. And it was just a moment where I said, okay. And then, you know, my flesh is like, well, I want to get to whatever it is. Let me go. You know, fix it. And the Holy Spirit's telling me, no, she's right. Be quiet. Don't say anything. Just hold her. And what ended up happening, of course she let go. And, you know, whatever. It was broke, and she's crying and all these different things. And we had this conversation. Of course, I end the joke by saying, okay, I got my nice new shirt on. You had to snap my shirt up. Now I gotta go get a new one. And she's laughing. It's the way we interact. But, you know, it was just the fact that in that moment, you know, she needed that hug. She needed me just to be there, not trying to fix it, just be there to say, I got you. And. And in that moment, it's almost like that's where Christ shows up in those moments for us. And it's like. You can tell. It's almost like as I'm holding her, he's holding us. And it's like I see this big visual picture of, like, Jesus, like, okay, I'm. I'm there. Two or three are here. I got you. And it would. Nine times out of ten will happen, our little one will come running in and say, I want to get in on a hug, too. So it's. It's always more of that. So it's a moment in which you don't have to say anything. Just be open to what God wants to do and just flow and let him take care of

[38:48 -> 38:56] Speaker 2: the rest. I might edit this whole part out of this episode, because when my wife hears that, she's gonna be like, see? I told you so. And I'll be like, dang it.

[38:58 -> 38:59] Speaker 1: I love

[38:59 -> 39:34] Speaker 2: it. I love it because I'm a very. One of my. One of my girls in my wedding. He's my friend since college. He told me. He said, eric, one of the reasons people don't like you is because you use logic and reasoning when you. And he said so for me, I can immediately want to go in like, okay, this is the problem. All right? This is what we need to do. And honestly, this is not even a hard solution. But that's not what she needs in that moment. She just. She doesn't need that, you know? And so I. This is what I'm doing. I'm not quite where you are, so I gotta. I'm now trying to get to the mode of just asking, what do you need from me right now? And you tell me.

[39:36 -> 40:18] Speaker 1: But see, I think. I think it's still something that will. I think we'll continue to learn, because the moment I think I got it figured out, it shifts, and it's like. It's like I knew I knew nothing. So I always laugh at her when these moments happen, because it's like, you know, okay, well, this is the part where I don't say anything, and I just stay here and hold her. It's just like, you're not gonna say anything? I said, oh. So I thought I was supposed to be quiet, you know? So it's. I never, you know, stay on in a situation where it's like, oh, I got this figured out. No. Holy Spirit, please show me. If I. If I need to interject with something, let me say the right words. Let me. Let me do what I need to do in the moment. So I'm making sure that I'm in alignment. Otherwise I'll miss it. And I don't want to miss it.

[40:19 -> 41:00] Speaker 2: I was praying Saturday morning. No joke. This is crazy. You said. I was saying, holy Spirit, help me to help my wife feel more secure. And I didn't mean physically in a relationship. I meant just in a sense of safety with her emotions, safety with her heart, trust with her emotions, trust with. With her heart. And immediately, it's. It came to me about my delivery. Not even the tone. It's. It's just. It's not even the tone. It's. It's just how I say it and just tweaking some of those words. Because, as you see, my wife is tough. You know what I mean? Like, she is tough. Like, you know what I mean? Like, she ain't the one to mess with. Like.

[41:00 -> 41:03] Speaker 1: Like, so similar on this end, too.

[41:03 -> 41:40] Speaker 2: Yes, sir. So I was like, okay. And then when I got done praying, I went out there and I told her this is what the Holy Spirit was telling me. So I'm going to repent and apologize and tell you the direction I'm getting ready to move in, moving forward. And even that was a level of increase of intimacy for us, because that is something that. I know that hug that you're talking about, that's what it provides. And because I'm a Fixer. I know sometimes, hey, I might be missing the mark with this, but it's not an excuse to Mr. Mark, especially since I know what the issue is. So I'm going to take that logic and reasoning and apply it to myself, and I'm going to go back to the Holy spirit and I'm going to work on me. Yes, sir. Yes,

[41:40 -> 41:43] Speaker 1: sir. I'm in 100 agreement. 100 agreement.

[41:45 -> 41:50] Speaker 2: Bro, this is. I don't believe what direction we. We went in. This is all a guy thing because

[41:50 -> 41:58] Speaker 1: I said that's what it seems to happen every time we talk. Every single time. Every time. I'm a. I'm a.

[41:58 -> 42:42] Speaker 2: I'm a. I'm gonna flip it a little bit here while because I know I got you for a little bit longer because I at least want to talk to you about your show. At least want to talk to you about a little bit about chh. Because, bro, Christian hip hop has changed over the years. I'm gonna say I used to think this stuff was corny. I don't think so anymore. I wasn't a fan. I wasn't a fan of it growing up, but that was also an environment I grew up into. You know, anybody listening to the show know what to listen to, so. But why this genre is so important to reaching this generation? So why do you think Christian hip hop is so important to reaching this generation? And what are ways that we can make sure we keep the integrity going as we're reaching this generation?

[42:44 -> 47:14] Speaker 1: Good question. So to me, I think it's. It's important because it is the way of communication, not only for the newer generation, but I also believe for those that came before. When you speak hip hop, when you speak through Boom bap, when you speak in this space, it's an unwritten language that not many people understand. But when you understand it, you can have a whole conversation just in a head nod. You can have a conversation and given stink face like that baseline, you know, whatever it may be. But I think within the space of chh, I think we're finding a balance because I think we go to extremes. I think every kind of wave goes a little bit too far to the left, sometimes a little bit too far to the right. And I feel like once we find that balance and I think it. It more conversation happens. I think it's more of the older or seasoned generation that came before, taking the time to get to know and converse with those that are coming up now. I think there's been this friction that's happened for so Long, because we. We talk at, but not to. And when we talk at, we tend to turn up the volume and nobody hears anything. And we end up becoming, you know, sounding brass and tingling cymbal. We become noise and it's not joyful. And I think when we get to the point of discipleship, understanding what it means to be in our word relationship, not just doing this thing by yourself. Because I think Covid exposed a lot. I think in that time frame within Chhat, it brought forth a lot of. A lot of MCs, a lot of music, a lot of creativity, because that's all you could do. Nobody was going anywhere. So in that space, creativity was through the roof. And people that may have never been producers are now producers. People that may have thought about being an emcee or now they have their whole ministry going. So there's a lot of things that have happened that were maybe birthed because of. Of what the time may have called for. But there are those that have come before that have laid the groundwork that some of our newer ones don't know about. I think sometimes it's, they gotta go to school. I think we all have to go to school together, sit in the same classroom, teach each other, continue to build and understand that we need each other to survive. And if we understand how it means to be fitly joined together as far as being a body and functioning in that space, more collaboration, more, you know, being in the same rooms together. Listen, I don't have to connect with you because I want to feature on your song. I just believe in you and your ministry, and I support you, bro. Keep going. You know, or if there are those that have that youthful zeal and they're finding their way, reminding yourself, I was once 18 and I was once starting in this space, and not to quickly point the finger and tear them down and say, y' all not talking about nothing. I think when you understand, okay, let me go back to where I was at that age. And then also on the flip side, I want to be there one day where I'm in my 50s and 60s, having a history of being in this space. What do you know? Let me. You know, I want to be a sponge. And I think when we collaborate more, when we converse more, it becomes more than just music. It becomes, this is what the body looks like. And I think Christian hip hop is the best example of how the body should function, especially when we're working together, whether it be as a producer, whether if you're an A and R person, if you're running the label. If you're a church that opens the doors to Christian hip hop, whether you're one that is at the altar that is praying for people that come to know about Christ, we function together. And I think that is what I want CHH as a whole to not just look at it as, okay, I'm making music, I'm making another contribution to bring us together. And as I bring each person together and we begin to unify, we can cast a wider net and grab more fish together.

[47:16 -> 47:26] Speaker 2: Man, that is so solid. So solid. What would you. What advice would you give to somebody who really wants to break into this space?

[47:28 -> 49:37] Speaker 1: Don't rush it. Don't, don't, don't rush it. Don't rush it. But do your homework. Do your research. Pick the brains of those people that you, you know, artists that you look up to, and, and, and they're the ones that inspire you. You know, reach out, you know, follow, follow, look and see what they do. How, how are they moving if they are ones that are true examples of living a Christlike life, you know, if they are in the position it should be, Follow me as I follow Christ. Come on. If they are leading you to him, that's a great example. Someone that you can say, okay, I'm following, but let me look beyond them and see, okay, this is the way that I enter in, into a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ for myself. Once I'm into the fold, the. The. The family, then I can go to him from. For myself. And then at that point, God can show you the direction you're supposed to go. But then again, you gotta have to work like, it's not just, okay, I got, I got this gift, you know, cool, everybody can rap. What makes you unique? What makes you different? Are you being who God has called and commissioned you to be? Everybody's not called to reach the nations. It may be a nation in your backyard. Come on, you gotta stop looking at the numbers and look at, am I doing what God has called me to do and not looking at it as a bad thing. If. Let's just say you're in, in your region and God uses you and, and you are that person in that city. That's not a bad thing or place to be at all because you're being used by him. Look at the souls that are being impacted. There's a place that people can go and find Christ for themselves. Because of the work that you do, because of what you do, it contributes to the overall big picture. So the work that you do don't look at it as well. I'm not reaching hundreds of thousands, but if there are 10 that guys designated for you, make sure you knock them all, all 10 down, get a strike. We need to make sure that you knock every pin down because that's your assignment. Come on. I want to make sure that you execute the assignment that God has for you and be okay with just that. As long as you hear, well done, that's all that matters.

[49:39 -> 49:54] Speaker 2: Man, this is a good time to ask you this. So because of what you said, what has God had to work on in your heart privately that people may never see publicly or they may see, but they don't know what they're looking at because they don't know what the work that went in behind closed doors.

[49:57 -> 52:17] Speaker 1: I think for me is it goes back to something we talked about earlier, is finding peace in, in sitting still, in the stillness. Because I think we're so active and we gotta go, gotta get involved. There are moments where God just says, okay, I just need you to sit there. Even in your prayer time, sometimes you get in, you, you're too much of a chatty Patty. Holy Spirit may just say, I don't need you to say anything. Just sit down, feel my presence, let me feel you. And I think with me in that stillness, it has helped me because when it comes to a situation that's chaotic, I can go back to that place of peace where everybody else is getting flustered and getting upset and getting riled up. I can go back to, oh, that still voice, that calm voice. I don't have to react and respond the way that I used to because I found that place where he could say, okay, no, I got you. And as you find your place of peace, that prayer closet where you are, if you find that moment where you say, God, I'm struggling right now, I'm going through this in my mind. If I can go to that place of peace, it will cause you, not, number one, to stress out, to flip out, to curse somebody out, to do the things that you were delivered from. Because if you allow it to play, you know, tricks with your mind, it'll take you right down that path. You would deliver from, find that place of peace. And that's what I, I, I, I have dealt with privately because I was a, I react, I, it was knee jerk reaction. You know, shoot first, ask questions later. Now it's, no, you can't respond that way because what you're seeing may not be what he wants you to see. You're seeing what's being shown to you, but there's something behind it. They're. They're getting upset with you. They're coming at you. But, hey, how was their day? What happened before they got to you? Is it something that transpired that, you know, God is trying to tell you in the moment? No. See beyond that. And as you see beyond that, you get past that wave of what happened initially. And then once you deal with it, you get to the heart of the matter, say, okay, this is what I wanted you to see. So I think it's a dialing back of what we used to do and saying, let me pause and wait. Because a knee jerk reaction right now may not be good for either one of us.

[52:19 -> 52:51] Speaker 2: So crazy. I feel like sometimes I'm looking a mirror talking to you. There's been several days, no joke, several days I've came home and the guy was just telling me, do not lean on your own understanding. You don't know what's going on here. You need to wait and just watch and let me do what I'm getting ready to do. Yeah. And in any of those situations, had I responded, it would have been bad. It would have been so bad. And it would have been embarrassing too. And he worked it all out. And I mean, he worked it out within a short period of time. He was like, just wait. All you got to do is wait. You've been thinking about this all day, but just wait. Just sit back and wait. Yes,

[52:51 -> 52:54] Speaker 1: sir. Yes, sir. Brother. I love it.

[52:54 -> 53:06] Speaker 2: Love it, brother. Thank you so much for being on here today. This is everything I thought it was going to be. So much so I can't wait to get you back on here for our part two. I know you're not saying yes to everything, but I'm need you to say yes to this. Oh,

[53:06 -> 53:09] Speaker 1: man. Listen, I say, I say yes and I say it in Spanish. C.

[53:11 -> 53:19] Speaker 2: Got it. Got it. We're gonna make sure we make. That's gonna be the only clip we cut from this episode. That right there, the agreement to come

[53:19 -> 53:23] Speaker 1: back. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know you got it. You already know, bro.

[53:23 -> 53:37] Speaker 2: This is the let them know segment. This is the final segment of the podcast. This is where you can share anything you like with the audience. But I do want you to share on top of what on God has in your heart to share. I want you to also share this. How do you want to be remembered and what kind of legacy do you really want to want to leave behind?

[53:40 -> 54:35] Speaker 1: So you asking me stuff I normally ask everybody else and it's Funny when it's turned on you. And I think for me, Legacy, that when it's all said and done, that it's confirmed that was a man of God. Come on. Truly was a brother who he stated he was in word or action. It was confirmed that he did what he was supposed to do on this earth. And then when it's all said and done, that he says, well done to confirm the work that was done on earth. So I, I, Legacy, I want to be like my father. I say my father, man's man, man of God, all the above. And just, you know, a confirmation of when they speak my name. He said he's, he was one of those. He was, he was truly one of those that I could say he did it God's way. He did it God's way,

[54:36 -> 54:42] Speaker 2: brother. Tell them where they can find you, where they can check you out. Hey can listen to you because I hope they tap in like I do.

[54:42 -> 55:25] Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Of course, what it is, what it be is like radio show, of course, Holy Culture Radio, SiriusXM channel 168 coming to you every Monday through Friday, 2 to 4pm Eastern Standard Time. So much going on in that space. You, of course you can find me on all social media. King size K, I, N G, C Y Z. Now you'll see all the stuff that I do, not only the, the, you know, radio show, you know, some podcast stuff that's coming up, you know, and you find my, my weight loss journey as well. You see my, my antics as far as the gym every day. I'm a nut, I'm a comedian. But I'm your brother and I'm, I'm glad that if you do reach out, you're gonna get that same love back. I promise you.

[55:25 -> 55:28] Speaker 2: You brother. Thank you so much. Can you pray us out before we get

[55:28 -> 57:28] Speaker 1: out of here? Absolutely. Dearly, Father, we thank you for this time and opportunity that, that you've given. I thank you for my brother, Eric Stevens. I thank you for the Rooted in Christ podcast, everything that he has continued to not only present but to share. I'm grateful for this brotherhood, this connection here, but also for those that are watching and listening, that they are connected as well. I thank you for the body, body of Christ as a whole at large. I thank you for the opportunity that you are restoring. Lord God. Those that don't know you are coming to the knowledge of you and those that lost their way are coming back to you. And through moments like this, through podcasts like this, conversations like this, confirming that you are real and that you care and you love each and every person that takes the time to even ask the question, does he love me? Does he care for me? Yes. So much so that he gave his life on the cross for me. And I thank you, Lord God, for the opportunity to to convey that to those that are watching, listening. And I pray that because of it, it does draw them closer to you for themselves. Continue to heal those that have been hurt, those that have been lost, Lord God, bring them in. Restore those that have been damaged, whether it be church hurt, family hurt, whatever the case may be. Heal, Lord God. Make them whole, Lord God. To the point where they can continue to represent you and represent you well in their full strength. I pray, Lord God, that they continue to put on the mind of Christ. Bring families together, Lord God. Bring loved ones together, Lord God, bring those that are connected in the body closer than ever before, Lord God. Bless churches that are watching and looking, Lord God, I pray that you continue to touch leadership, Lord God. Touch those that are discipled by those particular leaders. And let's get back to what it was all about again. Having all things common so that we can be who we need to be together as a community. And we can reach those that don't know you yet. I pray, Lord God, that everyone that walks away from this, I pray that they be blessed ever the more that everything that they put their hands to continue to prosper. But they will hear your voice and the voice of another they will not follow. Thank you, Lord God, for all that you're doing continue to do. We look forward to the future in you. You. In the precious name of your son, Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen. And

[57:28 -> 59:50] Speaker 2: Father, I just want to thank you right now for anybody who's listening who wants to know more about this Jesus that we've been talking about. Father, for that person who's just given their their heart to you, Lord, who's asked you to come in their heart as their Lord and Savior. Father, I pray that they are just repenting now. They're turning away from their ways now. They're asking you to just to shepherd their lives now. Father, I thank you that they are just casting down anything that is just separating them from you. However they're saying that prayer, Father, they're accepting you as their Lord and Savior now. I thank you for the celebr celebration heaven that is taking place, Lord. But I pray people listen, reach out to either one of us just so they can hear more about how to get plugged in with the body of Christ. Because discipleship will be the next step for them. Father. But I thank you that you have saw fit to use us to share your message, Lord. So I pray that you continue to give us the grace to not just listen, but to be obedient, do the things you've called us to do. But I thank you from my brother that we are more than conquerors, that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us, that he was in us is greater than he was in the world. And Father, I thank you for overcoming this world. And Lord, I thank you that our testimonies are going to just be an example to the world for things you've not only done in our lives, but you can do in their lives as well. Father. So continue. Continue to use us to be light and salt of the earth. Continue to not give us the grace so we don't hide our light under a lampstand. Father, I pray you give us eyes to see and ears to hear that person who needs to hear about the saving power of Jesus. And we don't keep our faith a secret, Father. So I thank you in advance that we that you will give us the grace and the guidance to live our lives on. Go. We just pray and ask all these things in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Listen, this is going to be the last time I say this for a little while. If you have not got your tickets for beyond the Walls, what are you doing? What you doing? What are you doing? The concert is Saturday. Don't call me Friday asking for tickets because they probably won't be there. It's not because I don't like you. I just really won't be able to help. The fire marshal is already talking to me. So with that being said, get your tickets, get your tickets. Please, please, please get your tickets. We got kb, we got Breno, we got Mike, Teasy, Portia Love, Taylor Wells. Cleveland's own Renzo is going to be in the building. Eli Williams is the dj. You know I'm going to be hosting the show. You, by the way, you never know who might be pulling up. You just don't know. I know, but you don't know who might be pulling up as a surprise. Brother, thank you so much for being on here today. Glad to

[59:50 -> 59:54] Speaker 1: be here. Honored. A privilege, man. You know I love you, my brother. I'm looking forward to the next one, man.

[59:54 -> 1:00:00] Speaker 2: Same, bro. Same. You've been enjoying our content. Please, like, Follow Share subscribe to Root of Christ Podcast. We'll be back next week.